Friday, June 20, 2008

Chicks Think Evil is Hot

A new study shows that men who manifest a "dark triad" of (1) narcissism, (2) impulsive thrill-seeking, and (3) willingness to deceive and exploit have more sex with a greater number of partners than counterparts who do not manifest these traits.

Draw your own conclusions.

22 comments:

729 said...

So, while it looks like women are pretty pathetic in their admiration of borderline psychopaths, at the same time, they're dealing with vast numbers of foolish men, most of whom *also* only want to get laid. (Some of whom actually pay good money to these exact same psychopaths. (1)) It's not like there are all these utterly wonderful, brilliant, "really nice guys," who *never* just want to get laid that are being ignored by women. Think about it: A few psychopaths with game. Tons of losers with no game but wish they had it so they, too, could get over on women. And the seventeen really balanced, terrific guys left in the state, all of whom are married.

Doom all around. That's all. Nothing special.

(1) Are you aware that there are already a good number of websites and "courses" that basically teach men who seek to improve their "scoring," how to go about developing precisely these "dark-triad" traits (or, more correctly, how to imitate them), and utilize different prepared patterns to increase their scoring? Think the "Seduce and Destroy" program in the film "Magnolia." Those classes really exist. The guys who run them make truckloads of cash. The guys who are shelling out the cash? Suckers.

729 said...

Thread-jack:

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Hilarious tags customers associated with this product:

http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AKDL1-Dedicated-Link-Cable/dp/tags-on-product/B000I1X6PM/ref=tag_dpp_cust_edpp_sa

729 said...

Drat!!! The links didn't paste correctly. Sorry!!!
Search amazon:
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Santa said...

729: The physics inside jokes that are present in the snarky reviews had me falling off my chair. Thanks for the good laugh. I hope this is a joke product.

Spiros said...

729:

Good post! I had totally forgotten that character from *Magnolia*.

Doom all around.

Spiros said...

729:

The reviews of the Denon AKDL1 Dedicated Link Cable are CLASSIC! Thanks!

729 said...

Doom for all ages and occasions!

I realized after I posed that comment that my real complaint was that the study works on an unquestioned assumption about what constitutes a "normal" moral status that operates comparatively in supporting the "findings." I am trying to figure out what fallacy this is--it looks like a kind of compositional fallacy. You would be able to sort that out better than I can. (A part of a whole has property D (dark triad), so the other part of the whole must have property Not-D, (assumed to be) N (normal). Women prefer D to N. Oh my! But, the whole contains D* (Doom, misogyny, idiocy, irresponsibility and immaturity not associated with psychosis, ennui, etc.), so women's preference to D just as likely contrasts with aversions to D*, not N. In the context of making a claim about *dating* and sexual preferences, preference for D does not tell anything about the state of Not-D. Assuming it is N, and that N has no troubling aspects is unjustified.)

I once wrote a paper in response to a certain person’s published paper on Happiness and Morality/Immorality. I analyzed the misuse of the idea of “being a good person,” and how this default belief that most humans have of “being a good person” amounts to an unjustified belief in their moral merit, and an erroneous psychological tendency to believe further that they deserve, because they are “fundamentally good people,” reward (in terms of happiness) from an unjust and recalcitrant universe. At the time, the person did not like this paper that much, but I still think I had some good points. This sort of “study,” seems to me an example of the sort of beliefs I was attacking: A whole-scale tendency to believe, well, I’m not a psychopath, so I must really be just a nice, good guy who, undeservedly “finishes last.” The world is so unfair! (No doubt there is a version of this for women, no doubt at all).

I'm glad you found the Denon cable reviews as funny as I did! It is, by reports I've seen, a real product.

Spiros said...

Interesting... So the thought is that property D might be correlative with the lack of some other property, say, B (for boring and boyish), which is prevalent among non-D males. So maybe the women are attracted to not-B rather than D.

729 said...

Yes! That's the ticket.

And in a context (dating) in which all the men are trying to "score," Non-B qualities trump B and long-term consequences of D. Women's preference shifts from irrationally preferring psychopaths, to much more rationally preferring to avoid losers (who, in the dating context, also want to score with them as much as the psychopaths do).

Looking at the big picture, it isn't as if the B quality men guarantee successful relationships; relationships come and go, and marriages fall apart more often than flourish. D's don't make good long term partners, but why kid ourselves about Bs? Very few people manage to make good long term partners. Most people fail at it. Most of these people are in the B group (according to the study, since D's don't stick around at all, only B's are the men who are mostly failing at relationships and marriages). Starting out with B is close to asking someone to sign on to a doomed relationship from the get go. Avoiding B and choosing Not-B (which turn out often to be D), might mislead with respect to the long-term consequences of D, but at the same time the avoidance of B (preference of Not-B) is reasonable with respect to the doom it represents.

I'm sorry if I'm ranting a bit. But this study really irked me.

Spiros said...

729:

Sounds right to me.

imipolex_g-unit said...

I'm pretty much in agreement with 729 except for it being about women preferring D's to B's for long term relationships. The study was questioning college students about e.g. how many and what kind of sexual experiences they had. I get the impression that the preferences uncovered have less to do with who the women questioned want to be in long term relationships with and more to do with who they want to fuck.

Spiros said...

imipolex:

Very observant. Tolerate love, practice fuck.

Santa said...

729 & G-Unit: Great stuff! So to use set theory, if there is of a total population of men:

Set MF (those men that women want to fuck)
Set NF (those men that women do not want to fuck)
Set GF (those men that women have fucked)
Set LW (those men that women are in long term relationships with)
Set NW (those men that women are not in long term relationships with)
Set DT (those men that posses dark triad of personality)
Set NT (those men that lack the dark triad of personality)

The intersection of sets of MF & GF does not necessarily follow that the population of the union of the set will be the exclusive replication of the population belonging to set DT. Nor does it follow that the intersection of MF and DT will result with both populations consisting of exclusively the same members. Nor will the sets LW and DT necesarily share all the same members exclusively.

Did I understand this correctly?

Spiros said...

729:

May I engage in some armchair phenomenology? But wait! Isn't all phenomenology armchair? Ok. May I engage in a little amateur phenomenology? But wait! Isn't all phenomenology amateur? (If you're even slightly amused by that last sentence, you're a certified Geek). No matter... SO:

I someone who thankfully has long been out of the dating/mating game, I wonder whether it's not the case that available and desirable ladies such as yourself don't actively seek out the *absence* of certain traits in potential sig-oths, rather than the presence other traits. Given the obscene condition of adult males, I suspect the *screen out* strategy is more efficient than the *test for* strategy. Does this make sense? Am I correct?

imipolex_g-unit said...

Santa: Knowing set theory is item number four in the dark tetrad.

Spiros said...

imipolex:

AWESOME.

Santa said...

imipolex: Now that was awesome! LOL!

Spiros: I concur with the "screen out" methodology being more successful than a "test for" methodology, though I too have been out of the dating/mating scene for some time.

Spiros said...

Santa:

Agreed.

729 said...

I hadn't seen the growth of the discussion. Wow.
Santa:Yes! That was beautiful.
Impolex: Yes, you're right about the study. What I see I was unclear about was that Not-B and D overlap, but aren't always identical. No way to tell at first glance whether a genuinely amazing, exciting, assertive and spontaneous guy (Not boring and boyish) is actually a psychopath/borderline disorder. The D types get over appearing like a what would be a great match. To a good extent I was riffing, and not all that precise.

Spiros: Phenomenologically speaking, I would have to say that both screening out *and* testing-for go on. It might be something like screening out occurs when a red flag comes up, but just as essential, seduction isn't neutral. Something positive in terms of attraction has to happen--some sort of preference/s get/s very much involved. Maybe, it isn't so much testing-for, but some "mark" needs to be hit--something has to happen that meets an expectation, surpasses it, surprises. Does that make sense?

Spiros said...

729:

Interesting.

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