Sunday, June 28, 2009

No Job Interviews at the APA Central!

Dates for the 2010 Central APA: February 17-20

Publication Date for volume 185 of Jobs for Philosophers: February 19th.

Still no statement from the APA about this.


Platowe said...

As a life-long member of Central, I'm particularly pissed. And not in that good way.

Anonymous said...

Didn't they do this last year?

Anonymous said...

Paper copies of JFP are a relic anyway. Last-minute recruitments can be announced on the APA web site in January, in time for search committees to review applications and invite finalists for interviews in Chicago in February. Anybody seriously looking for work is likely checking those APA web listings anyway. The fuss people are making over an outdated print document is truly puzzling.

Spiros said...

Anon 11:09:

If you're arguing that the print JFP is a waste of money, you're right. As I've said before, the entire JFP operation could be done with a nicely-designed website (somethign the APA seems incapable of).

But part of the reason why one should make a fuss is that many institutions' EEO statements do not provide for web-based dissemination of adverts. Print vehicles (like JFP) are in many cases *necessary* in order to meet the legal requirements.

Also worth lamenting is that the APA has to date made no comment about this (for many) massive and disturbing shift in the way the job market is run.

Anonymous said...

For institutions that require print publication, an ad in the Chronicle meets that requirement, and a great many colleges and universities are already running duplicate ads in the Chronicle and JFP. Job-seekers should be checking the free on-line job listings at the Chronicle anyway, as some schools announce their jobs only at the Chronicle (e.g., community colleges and smaller schools with very limited budgets). The Chronicle also has a free e-mail notification system for job-hunters that will alert them to any new listings in their specialty.

All the professional societies are hurting right now. With the collapse of the job market, they will earn less ad revenue for job postings. With the drastic cut-backs in faculty travel funds, the attendance at professional meetings is dropping. With publishers hurting, they are spending less on exhibition space at the professional meetings. This is true across academia, not just in philosophy. Fretting over a print February JFP that costs real money for printing and postage and serves no real purpose seems silly.

chrono said...

I thought the Central was purposely moved in order to accommodate interviewing.

Spiros said...

Anon 1:04:

The APA is not declining to publish and mail a February JFP. It's going to publish and mail it at a time which makes it useless, at least as far as the Central meetings go. If the print JFP is, as you say, useless/superfluous under the best conditions, then you should be lamenting along with me, since they're printing and mailing a useless document under conditions that make it even *more* useless.

Here's where things are: There used to be three occasions on which job seekers could interview at an APA meeting for a job in philosophy; those three occasions were coordinated with the publication of JFP. Now the coordination has been abandoned (note that in 2010 there will be a JFP issue that comes out *after* the Pacific!). This will no doubt change how one looks for a job in Philosophy: at the very least, the APA now no longer provides the crucial service of producing a single document for the Philo job seeker, and it no longer provides the forum for the standard Philo first interview.

And maybe these are all good things. But the point is that the APA has changed (perhaps intentionally, perhaps not) the nature of the typical academic job market in Philosophy, and they've said *nothing* about it.

Anonymous said...

Central changed for several reasons. One was that it was so late in the year, some schools were already into exams and commencement. A second was that it was often so close to Pacific on the calendar that it made it even more difficult for people to get to both than it is now.

Pacific almost always meets during Easter week to get better hotel rates, so it jumps around (late March in 2010, late April in 2011, e.g.).

Perhaps there was a time long ago when the publishing schedule of JFP was coordination with interviewing opportunities at APA meetings, but much has changed, including the wide availability of web ads as a more timely substitute and the use of telephone and video-cam interviews.

Even last year many schools cancelled Eastern interviews because they couldn't afford the travel costs for their interviewers. With the economy in meltdown nationwide, the job market could be even worse next year than last. A print JFP isn't going to help that one iota.

Spiros said...

Anon 5:11:

You say, "A print JFP isn't going to help that one iota."

No one's arguing for print JFP. The argument is that if there's going to be a print JFP, it should be published in a way that coordinates with the meetings so that there could be a venue for job interviews in a central geographical location. Given the bad economic times you mention, the APA should be doing more for its job-seeking members.

Anonymous said...

Two things that always must be kept in mind when criticizing the APA. 1) The dues and conference attendance fees are lower, often _much_ lower, than many, perhaps, most, similar professional organizations. (The PSA, in the UK, for example, charges more for a student membership than most people pay for full member dues for the APA, and has higher conference attendance fees, too. To attend a AALS meeting it's something $600.) To some degree, at least, you get what you pay for. The organizational structure is very bad, but it's the members that have kept it from getting better. The central office has little power or control- that's mostly held by the divisions, who don't regularly coordinate. When the central office tried to have more central control, as was suggested by outside consultants, the executive director was fired. The real power is with the division officers, people elected by the members on the basis of their philosophical achievements, primarily. Unfortunately, philosophical achievement and organizational ability are not always strongly coordinated. Given these facts I'm generally surprised that the APA works as well as it does.

Anonymous said...

Replace the organisational members of the APA with the organisational members of assorted undergraduate Philosophy Clubs. I guarantee you the undergrads could run it better.

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