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Thursday, June 25, 2009
Department of Overstatement
"Thriller was almost certainly the greatest accomplishment in music, and probably in all of art history." --Ryan Seacrest
"The most tragic day in American music history." --E! reporter
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To each his or her own. Surely, someone will dispute similar claims made about any other album or day on which a famous artist has died. You say Lennon, i say Bon Jovi, but who is right? So to claim that such statements are overblown seems to indicate a certain degree of misunderstanding regarding the claim.
Anon, "a great record" is one thing. But when you're claiming it's "almost certainly" greater than, e.g., The Magic Flute, Kind of Blue, The Dark Side of the Moon, and "probably" greater than Hamlet, the Mona Lisa, the Eiffel Tower, Lolita, and Kubla Khan, is there a word better than "overstatement?"
Given your analysis, then we should refrain from using such language in general, because it is most certainly probably overblown no matter the comparison.
If this is your view, then I might very well agree.
Well, if "Thriller" was almost certainly the greatest accomplishment in music, and probably in all art history, that means that this version is certainly THE greatest accomplishment.
Obviously, the Misfits' "Legacy of Brutality" is the greatest album ever recorded ("if you want to scream, then scream with me...") so to say Jackson topped that is clearly wrong...
You should also note my hero Alice Cooper's overstatement: "Michael Jackson was the Fred Astaire of his time." Has someone taken up Jackson's mantle? I've always preferred Beck's dance moves anyway...
Well, I admit there are some attractions to other uses of "greatest." If, for example, "greatest" means merely "pretty good," then I might get to call myself "the greatest lover in human history."
Other than "Braineaters," the greatest tragedy in music history in my view might be this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzYdMSAkGqA
I'm with you on this one. "Mommy" is definitely a favourite -- but there are so many close calls. "Bloodfeast," "Children in Heat," "Bullet," so many to come to mind!
Did you guy see that video where Michael Jackson just totally clocks Glenn Danzig right in the face?
Seriously, like there could be any competition between "Ghouls Night Out" and "Thriller."
The Misfits were out there putting on undead makeup and rocking out when Michael Jackson was just a little innocent kid having fun playing with his toys and other friends.
At one time one of my prized possessions was a cover of "Die, Die, My Darling" by the Sloppy Seconds. What made it so great was that it was supposed to be clear "blood splattered" vinyl, but due to some screw up in the pressing process it ended up being a pink, pepto-bismol covered record. Not as good as the "Stairway" shaped record from Dread Zeppelin, but still fun.
Anon: Thanks for reminding me of the days of interestingly-colored and oddly-shaped vinyl. One of my prized possessions is the first Dickies album, on vinyl (of course), which came with an official Dickies barf-bag.
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To each his or her own. Surely, someone will dispute similar claims made about any other album or day on which a famous artist has died. You say Lennon, i say Bon Jovi, but who is right? So to claim that such statements are overblown seems to indicate a certain degree of misunderstanding regarding the claim.
Anon, "a great record" is one thing. But when you're claiming it's "almost certainly" greater than, e.g., The Magic Flute, Kind of Blue, The Dark Side of the Moon, and "probably" greater than Hamlet, the Mona Lisa, the Eiffel Tower, Lolita, and Kubla Khan, is there a word better than "overstatement?"
Given your analysis, then we should refrain from using such language in general, because it is most certainly probably overblown no matter the comparison.
If this is your view, then I might very well agree.
Well, if "Thriller" was almost certainly the greatest accomplishment in music, and probably in all art history, that means that this version is certainly THE greatest accomplishment.
That's all I'm sayin'.
Obviously, the Misfits' "Legacy of Brutality" is the greatest album ever recorded ("if you want to scream, then scream with me...") so to say Jackson topped that is clearly wrong...
You should also note my hero Alice Cooper's overstatement: "Michael Jackson was the Fred Astaire of his time." Has someone taken up Jackson's mantle? I've always preferred Beck's dance moves anyway...
Sir Brooks,
My view is very close to yours. I'd argue that "Angelfuck" is the greatest accomplishment in music, and probably in all of art history.
("Mommy, Can I go Out and Kill Tonight?" is a close second.)
And the most tragic day in American music history is documented here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdUEw7tAFLc
The most tragic day in american music history is the day that J. Lo decided that having a big butt meant she should record songs.
Dear First Anon,
Well, I admit there are some attractions to other uses of "greatest." If, for example, "greatest" means merely "pretty good," then I might get to call myself "the greatest lover in human history."
Yeah. I'm on your side now.
Other than "Braineaters," the greatest tragedy in music history in my view might be this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzYdMSAkGqA
I'm with you on this one. "Mommy" is definitely a favourite -- but there are so many close calls. "Bloodfeast," "Children in Heat," "Bullet," so many to come to mind!
Did you guy see that video where Michael Jackson just totally clocks Glenn Danzig right in the face?
Seriously, like there could be any competition between "Ghouls Night Out" and "Thriller."
The Misfits were out there putting on undead makeup and rocking out when Michael Jackson was just a little innocent kid having fun playing with his toys and other friends.
Best Misfits song: She (either version).
just sayin'...
At one time one of my prized possessions was a cover of "Die, Die, My Darling" by the Sloppy Seconds. What made it so great was that it was supposed to be clear "blood splattered" vinyl, but due to some screw up in the pressing process it ended up being a pink, pepto-bismol covered record. Not as good as the "Stairway" shaped record from Dread Zeppelin, but still fun.
Brooke:
"Braineaters" is far superior to "Demonomania."
Anon: Thanks for reminding me of the days of interestingly-colored and oddly-shaped vinyl. One of my prized possessions is the first Dickies album, on vinyl (of course), which came with an official Dickies barf-bag.
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