Friday, November 5, 2010

30-40 New Jobs in Nov. JFP

I've looked only very quickly, but by my count there's maybe 50 new ads in the November JFP, and more than ten of them are either (1) not TT; (ii); postdocs; or (iii) open rank.

So, it seems that there are 30 to 40 new TT entry-level jobs in the November JFP.

If I'm wrong (in either direction), let me know.

18 comments:

Anonymous said...

As an undergrad looking at grad school, and a career: this is good news, yes? Or at least, better than expected?

Anonymous said...

there is no good news.

Anonymous said...

Anon 10:23,

Some perspective. Imagine you were considering a career in something else, say, IT. And we announced that for the second half of this year, there would be a total of 40 new jobs worldwide, for the rest of the year.

(Of course there are fewer candidates seeking philosophy jobs than IT jobs. There are fewer candidates for VHS repair jobs, too.)

Better than expected means squat in the big picture here.

Anonymous said...

Dear Undergrad looking at grad school,

Don't be discouraged. You may not ever get an academic job. In fact, the chances are heavily against that. Even if you do get an academic job, it'll be hellish, overworked & underpaid. However, doing the PhD is grand, so do it anyway. Just don't base your decision to go to grad school on a future career.

Souris Modeste said...

Anon 10:26am -

It's good news for people who love bad news.

English Jerk said...

The good times are killing me.

Anonymous said...

10:45

Uh... I'm not under the impression that the JFP lists all the available jobs in Canada, Britain, Australia, France, Germany, etc.

"Worldwide" was a tad too strong a comparison, I think. "In the U.S." might have been more appropriate.

Not that it changes your point, really.

Anonymous said...

Anon 10:45,

This is 10:23. May I ask how many persons with PhDs there are seeking academic work? The proportion of seekers to position is what matters here, yes?

Anonymous said...

Anon 10:23,

Clearly you're new to this. It is not unusual for an open tenure track job in a relatively uninviting location to receive over 600 applications. So, an extra 30 jobs is great, but it's a difference of 160-190, or, taking 600 as a baseline, 25%-30%.

Every day turns out to be a little bit more like Bukowski.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, I know: he's a pretty good read. But God, who'd wanna be ..

Anonymous said...

"This is 10:23. May I ask how many persons with PhDs there are seeking academic work? The proportion of seekers to position is what matters here, yes?"

I'd be curious to see the statistics on this myself, since I really don't know. You're right, it's the proportion that matters. Whatever the proportion is, you can bet it's abysmal.

For an estimate you'd need to know: 1. the number of philosophy PhD programs (answer: way too many), 2. the average number graduated yearly (answer: too many), 3. the number of failed jobseekers from previous years who are still seeking jobs (answer: way, way, too many).

The total will be substantially higher than 40.

Anybody want to speculate by how much?

Seeing a number might make the pointlessness of thinking in terms of relative good news a bit more vivid.

Anonymous said...

Sorry to hijack this thread.
Which option is better?
A CV with a page-long dissertation abstract or a paragraph-long abstract?

Anonymous said...

What you want is a CV w/ a page long list of publications...otherwise it doesn't really matter.

If you don't have that, then you want your dissertation abstract just to be interesting...and no *longer* than 1 page.

Anonymous said...

10:28
On the CV, you want to be brief. Go with a paragraph. Anybody can ramble on about a project, but not everyone can be brief.

Anonymous said...

On total job applicants. I think the best data point we'll get is the one from Boise St. last year. What'd they get? 600 applications for the open spot? (Or was it 300, I don't remember.) Either way, that was a 3/3 load in a terrible location. I imagine people didn't apply due to the location, but I wouldn't there there are more than BSU apps X 2 applicants on the market for lower-level TT spots.

Anonymous said...

"On total job applicants. I think the best data point we'll get is the one from Boise St. last year. What'd they get? 600 applications for the open spot? (Or was it 300, I don't remember.)"

I've heard the 600 number before, though I can't confirm it. When I was on the market 5 years ago, I know 200 applications for a job was pretty common, so that would be a dramatic increase. But at the end of the day, they're both lottery worthy levels of suck.

"Either way, that was a 3/3 load in a terrible location."

Oh, you have no idea from terrible. Like most intermountain west locations, Boise has the problem of being very far from major cities. But in its own right, it's a very pleasant, livable town. I've had jobs in much, much worse places.

Anonymous said...

The Boise job had 588 applicants, at least according to the PFO I and presumably 586 other applicants received.

Importantly, that was for an open AOS/open AOC position. To compare, Kenyon college received 400 applications for an open AOS but Kant/German Idealism/History of Analytic AOC preference.

Given the likely number of applicants, I'm always surprised to see open AOS ads. I wonder if committees will become increasingly specific in their AOS/AOC preferences.

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