3:!9-- isn't there a concern that this places untenured people in a bad position? They have to report what gets said, and sometimes people don't like the way their statements get reported....
Ah. yes. I remember arriving at my first TT job and being informed that the newbie took the minutes, and that I had better be thorough, because there were lots of tensions in the dept. and everyone wanted to be sure that there was a record of what that other guy said. Oh, yes, good times. Glad to have that fucked up place in my rear-view.
3:51 - Never thought of that, though it's a legitimate point. Not much of a worry here, because we have a very easy-going kind of department where we all like each other and get along reasonably well (all things considered). Somewhere else, though... yeah. I see the problem.
Why not just audio/video record the meetings? If there's supposed to be an official record of what was said, isn't that the safest way to go, and one which wouldn't put junior faculty in a potentially awkward spot?
Not a good idea -- there are some things you might not want to put in the official record, e.g. if you're worried about an administrator poking around.
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Hmmm: why would the untenured take the minutes of the faculty meeting?
I did. Because I was. This is the third planet from the sun right?
What's worst is when the untenured *woman* is asked to take the minutes!
9:08: Wait for Rule #1....
"Hmmm: why would the untenured take the minutes of the faculty meeting?"
Because they aren't the ones sleeping?
Exact opposite here - the most junior hire has to take minutes, whoever he or she may be.
3:!9-- isn't there a concern that this places untenured people in a bad position? They have to report what gets said, and sometimes people don't like the way their statements get reported....
Departmental management rule #99: don't let the untenured sit on tenure committees
8pm: if at your university there's no rule that absolutely prohibits untenured from serving on tenure comms, you're at a shit university.
Ah. yes. I remember arriving at my first TT job and being informed that the newbie took the minutes, and that I had better be thorough, because there were lots of tensions in the dept. and everyone wanted to be sure that there was a record of what that other guy said. Oh, yes, good times. Glad to have that fucked up place in my rear-view.
8:00pm here: yep I sure am at shithole university!!!
We don't bother to take minutes anymore at our meeting.
3:51 - Never thought of that, though it's a legitimate point. Not much of a worry here, because we have a very easy-going kind of department where we all like each other and get along reasonably well (all things considered). Somewhere else, though... yeah. I see the problem.
Is my dept. so rich, or yours so poor, that y'all don't have administrative staff to take the notes?
Why not just audio/video record the meetings? If there's supposed to be an official record of what was said, isn't that the safest way to go, and one which wouldn't put junior faculty in a potentially awkward spot?
Not a good idea -- there are some things you might not want to put in the official record, e.g. if you're worried about an administrator poking around.
As the only untenured member of my department I say HERE, HERE!
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